
The two discuss a range of topics and the interview is funny, touching, insightful, thought-provoking and meaningful. Rather than focus (again) on how this is even possible on late night US TV, I think the bigger more important message has to do with what the Archbishop offers as guidance to others in the form of anecdotes and stories. He puts forth that people are intrinsically good, and even in the toughest, most difficult situations such as Darfur or South Africa's past 20 years, people still are able to find cause to laugh, smile and forgive. Even those who have been wronged find cause to forgive, understanding that some things are in some small way things they contributed to. The message I started to ask myself when watching this, was - "who do I need to forgive?", and my list started to get long pretty fast. He puts forth that forgiveness is a form of catharsis - Craig's take on it is that "hate and resentment are a poison we swallow, that we expect to have an effect on the other person". It was humbling to watch this man who has been able to hold his faith for such a long time, through such pain, talk about truths he holds close to his own heart.
Another point he made which is really quite beautiful is that we aren't human without one another. I'm not sure I can do justice to it, but in effect we rely upon one other to be taught to speak, walk, and act. Our social customs are the result of the time we spend together, rather than inwardly focused. With that in mind, we need one other to be successful as beings ourselves, and when we dehumanize others, it dehumanizes us just a little. Remember this the next time you want to offer a hand gesture to the driver that has just cut you off, or when we elect not to turn the other cheek against some injustice big or small.
Craig and his guest speak about Nelson Mandela, and the Archbishop's views on the state of the US as well. It's a fascinating 20 minute investment of your time. I highly recommend it.
Now I need to get back to my forgiveness list, and no, that won't be published. It'll be acted upon though as I've been inspired.